Slapping the cookie!?.. sounds like the solo version of 'rough sex' hahaa. My dear I am not talking about dolls here, who needs the rest of the body besides the important orifices/protruberances... besides, before you know it the female version will have headaches and periods! I am talking about sophisticated machines like the Sybian, currently freaking expensive and (mainly) for the girls. Being a technical tinkerer I have built myself a device that sucks dick like a champion at the push of a button, variable speed, depth and stroke, continuous or pulsed vibration and electrostim included! Best of all it has endless endurance and never complains about lock-jaw or a load of jizz in it's mouth! (one downside is having to wash it when done)

Getting back to pros and cons of SP, whereas clit desensitization may be a risk for some women, "mental desensitization" is a major risk for us guys! Having less versatile physical equipment than the girls requires us to engage our imaginations a lot more in order to heighten arousal. This is the reason why porn has become more and more extreme. One particular fantasy works only for a couple of sessions before it becomes stale and we need to seek something more 'stimulating'. Techno-SP solves this dilemma in that the physical pleasure is great enough to eliminate the need for any accompanying fantasy. This bodes well for the future, as hopefully the current trend towards violent sex, extreme bondage and snuff videos etc dies out.

Elaborating on @toy's points, the human sexual dilemma starts in childhood: The male of the species actively trains himself to reach orgasm as quickly as possible so he's not caught in the act, mentally negating the journey and totally focused on the destination. The female at the same time actively trains herself to focus entirely on her clit as the source of arousal and orgasm, in the process developing a unique technique that absolutely guarantees the superiority of her own SP over anything anyone else (let alone an inexperienced male) could ever create for her! Could things go more wrong than that?!? We are breeding a race of premature ejaculators with anorgasmic partners!

So, where lies the solution? Education, I guess. So now we have to illustrate the whole concept of sexual interaction to pre-teens with booklets filled with little stick people doing the deed, showing little girls that their pussy has equal status to their clits and convincing little boys that their inadvertent hard-on is an invitation to an adventure and not something to be got over with asap. AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! Really cant see any of that happening soon, for obvious reasons. As for encouraging pre-teens to engage in partner sex as soon as possible, just voicing the idea makes me afraid of being arrested for tendencies, same goes for an adult providing hands-on education like some so-called "primitive" "un-cultured" tribes do.

I guess we need to accept that man's mental development lags far behind his technological progress.............

OK.. here's my 2cent's worth: toy is absolutely correct.. Thumbs up dude, you're 1 in a million who's kinda figured it out! Let's go into this in depth: Firstly I cannot stand the M-word, it sounds like something a cow does when its not Masticating, and "self-love" evokes images of some narcissist Liberace hugging and complimenting himself in front of a mirror!  Soo... my term for this is self-pleasure.. SP for short.... 'rubbing one out' is for the girls.... us guys 'polish the rocket', 'strangle the bishop' or 'spank the monkey'.... (note that there are many more terms for male SP than there are for the female version)... where'as "wanking" is something the brain-dead occupants of that 'toilet of an island in the north sea' do when they're not standing in line for the dole. Now.. toy says this is a double-edged sword.... I say it's multi-edged... so many angles to this I almost don't know where to start... but here goes anyway:

The positive (mainly male, can't help it... I'm one) perspective: SP is where it's at in this 21st century.... soon you'll be able to buy devices which generate orgasms better than any of those resulting from interaction with the opposite sex.... this is a major positive in itself... in that guys will no longer need to go out pussy-hunting (essentially a futile exercise) ... and therefore interact with women on an intellectual level (hahaaa).....

Now before you'all get me wrong here, I'm all for hooking up at the local pub and fucking your brains out out till daybreak but that shit only happens in holly-wood, not in this here real life world....

to be continued......

Hi there PiB.... will definitely do the cuppa coffee or beers sometime as we will be moving to Cptn within the next year or so.... OK so let's make this a joint effort... please just don't let me see my avatar 4 in a row 3 months down the line... dunno what it is with that but it kinda gets me down... will put my 2cents worth in on you posts within the next couple'a days......

open minds forever...

Hi there PiB, hope you are keeping well, good luck with your "forum revival drive"!! I for one will just peruse and keep my opinions to myself, kinda tired of my post being the final one on the thread, would actually like to know why that is so, as my main aim is actually to stimulate the debate...

Sorry folks but I'm feeling a little "vocally effusive" tonight so here's the historic but entirely true background to this, like it or not (and please don't bother me with accusations of peadophiliac tendencies etc): 50 years ago most young girl's first sexual experience involved some much older guy exposing himself on (lets say) a park bench and enticing her participation with a promise of sweets etc. Cut a long story short this normally did not result in a charge at the local police station but had the effect that the 1930's teen girl knew what a dick was and what needed to be done with it.... which most likely served her well later in life........

Yes I do, it's right there where you live: (I'm really having a problem putting this into simple terms): the potential for erotic experience via massage is immense, start with simple touching techniques, research and expand into tantra, you'll be amazed by the experience, will wonder why you ever joined a swinging site when you realise what level of erotic pleasure can actually be achieved between two people, my high is always when I feel those 'arcs' of energy passing between my hands and her body.....

All art is lost and most people can't spell 'seduction', wake up dude you're in the 21st century.......

Totally admire your positive outlook Redbruce, but in all honesty you haveto admit that the odds on a positive dogging experience are about as good as scoring big on the lottery......

Sorry to lay this one on you Ashlee but if you think the forum is 'quiet', the "group" thing is decidedly DEAD, DECEASED, R.I.P. Even more than the forum, groups depend on a driving force to keep them alive and interesting, do YOU want to be that DRIVING FORCE? If YES you could have a bunch of fun here, remember that people are followers, they are RE-ACTIVE, they need to be inspired, instigated or irritated to actually apply their lazy mind & fingers to the keyboard to voice their opinions (which they are only vaguely aware of). If not just let it be and be like me, look at the site and (with a sigh) say hmm, still the same, nothing's changed, soo sad.......

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Piet Retief!!! Shit,Tanners, best you make that radius 500k or the odds of organizing something like this will be like zuma apologizing to the nation and stepping down without a golden handshake.... Ashlee yes your idea has merit, however good ideas are a dime a dozen, whereas people who make them real are as scarce as good government in this country. It always seems to devolve down to one person with the commitment to make it work, are you the one??......

Not that you in particular need to read it, if you did you would agree with me: It's an intelligent analysis of the 'lifestyle' from the point of a single guy (by no means an oil painting) who had the stamina to see it through to success, yes in the US but all of the advice he offers applies equally to ole swingin'heavnin and the local scenario in general, if it was 'out of context' I would never have mentioned it .......

In a more constructive vein, in light of the above & regarding "qualified membership" for single males on this site, how'bout this: to qualify for membership as a 'single male', the applicant needs to read the book "SWINGLAND" by Daniel Stern, and needs to successfully complete a quizz based on the book, it explains it all. In fact this whole thread wouldn't be here if the originator had read the book .....

...or tweet Oooh-Praah, you never know, she may just get you on her show & make you famous as an example to all those nasty males on the planet, all broken up &all as you are......

3880, still counting.......

Humblest apologies, misread the heading, thought it said "IRRELEVANT" remarks.....

Got your post completely, as I said: your chance of hooking up successfully is 1 in 400, so the chance of being 'led on and dumped' is at least 20 times greater, which means that you would have to go through your above-mentioned experience at least 10 times before you have a pleasurable encounter with a couple along the lines of what you had in mind, isn't it??? As for my second point, it is an indisputable fact that the approval of other women is highly influential in determining the receptivity (the ease with which the thighs spread) of a particular female in response to a particular male! But maybe you've just never been in the situation where you're in with the super-hottie and every other chick you run into wants to show you what they've been keeping from their boyfriend, and a little while later you've split with the hottie and are obviously single they suddenly can't remember your name or where you met, let alone what the topic of the conversation was..............

Aaaand that being said, remember that the GALLERY is much like the FORUM, where FREEDOM reigns, anyone and everyone can post ANYTHING they want to, and anyone and everyone can comment thereon, no matter how much their views may clash with or offend others, they have the right to say their say, as do those who may feel offended, this is the essence of freedom of speech, this is the foundation of this site, FREEDOM from the narrowly defined stereotypes of 21st century society. So if all of this is too much of a mindfuck for you, best you go back to watching Ohh-praah and CNN, you'll be a much happier and 'well-adjusted' citizen, on the production line at the experimental muffin research kitchen, operating the nozzle of the icing anointment utensil............

As always here's my 2cents worth: pics posted on the gallery are "free for all" so the profile of whoever posted them is totally irrelevant !!!! On the other hand (Darren) I haveto say that I find the 'standard' comments that certain members feel compelled to post (fokken mooi poes, luf to lek dat etc ) ad nauseum, rather boring. I certainly feel that there are some really cool pics being posted and I will compliment those who posted them, and sometimes unfortunately I can't help myself from posting shit like "hey dude, can we PLEASE have another 20 closeups of your cheap tattoos ??? ......

Hmmm, look Dude, point taken, but let's look at some stats here (without any guarantee as to accuracy): Ratio of single guys wanting to play with couples versus couples wanting to play with single guys: 100:1 ! ! ! ! Assuming that 1 out of 2 single guys are genuine and that 1 out of 2 couples in the aforementioned demographic are genuine that means that YOU have a 400:1 chance of hooking up ! !  Secondly, and actually more important than the above, you need to accept that in the "couples playing with a single guy" scenario, it is invariably the lady that calls the shots, SHE decides who gets to fuck her while hubby watches, so you are right back there in the singles scenario that you are so desperately trying to avoid: Having to pass her 'unreasonably rigid' standards just to get laid !!!!!  So, moving along, the only way (that I can see) that makes YOU worthy of her hallowed snatch is the fact that numerous other girls let you play there ! So what you need to do to score with couples on good ole swingin'heavnin is to post pics on yer profile showing diverse chicks (meaning 4 or more) enjoying your carnal endeavors in as many ways as humanly possible.... (the more kinky the better).... please note pics of your sister in the shower don't count for much! That gives a clear indication to the lady you are trying to target (be she part of a couple or not) that you have been accepted by her peer group as a "guy worth fucking" as opposed to just another 'fucking worthless guy' ...........

OOH please guys (&gals), what do you expect? A politely worded message saying that unfortunately Venus is not in conjunction with Jupiter therefore the kinky shit you were contemplating is simply just not on the cards? Or: your tastefully executed dickpicks unfortunately show single-ply paper on the toilet roll, I insist on 3ply so I guess there's no future for us? To put it in a nutshell, unanswered chat requests simply mean: not interested, move along, go away, vamos, dawaai ...... 

EAST LONDON? where is that? do any people actually still live there? Just joking, it's usually in these backwaters of human existence that the best swinging action goes down: When the power goes down and the general consensus is "We hope they fix it by the weekend" it means you'all gotta lotta time to kill, which means the ole saying "to much leasure leads to mischief" holds true, all of the best to you'all, wish we were there......

Nope, but they can provide the applause, aarf-arf, arf-aaarf, hee-haah, heee-haw (shit is that a donkey call???) ......

On the subject of 'SINGLE GUYS' and in the line of being 'constructive', how about making it a rule that if you are joining this site as a 'single male', your profile will only be approved if you post pics not of your very impressive dick but of yourself engaged in some form of sexual activity with another human being (note that that does exclude dogs and donkeys), I think that this would be a fair assessment of the guy's 'swinging potential' and eliminate the bulk of the basement-dwelling xbox-wankers that so pollute this site, whatcha think?

And I would especially like the input of some female readers of this forum (are you really out there? Zaenia, step up to the podium) to confirm (or dispute) my take on the fact that the "prep" is more important than the "finish" ......

Hi there, some comments regarding the Sybian: A well-built machine that delivers on it's promise..... well designed and cleverly marketed, enhanced orgasmic potential etc.... However, the basic principle, the raison de'tre (hope I spellt that rite) is severely flawed: It asserts that the aspect of male-female sexual interaction that needs assistance is the end-game: taking her over the hill to the final crescendo of orgasm. It delivers that motion that drives her 'over the top', the rock&roll that the music genre was named for. Lay on your back & invite mother Theresa to mount your rod and you'll find that that that is the exact motion that she performs, ROCK .. AND ROLL. Totally different from the wild rapid thrusting that porn videos make you think girls like, isn't it? So there is actually no need for the Sybian, just lay back, let her take control, and make like you're Elvis, rock that pelvis, twist and shout, let it all out (sorry, couldn't help myself with that one). Anyways, getting back on the subject, getting her 'over the hill' has never been the real problem, but getting her to the point where vigorous fucking does anything but tire her out is where the problem lies. In my personal experience the duration and effort put into the "warmup" determines the quality of what happens thereafter. Now with us guys being fundamentally lazy motherfuckers, we should be looking at technology from the point of view of reducing the time and effort required to "get the sexy lil' bitch severely hot & wet" as opposed to finishing her off as soon as possible, isn't it? ...... Now before I waste more of my precious time typing on this crazy flexible keyboard which is driving me nuts, do any of you actually want to find out where I am going with all of this? ..........

Hello all, Zaenia you have a point, newbies are afraid of being "shot down in flames" but I feel this IS a misconception, most of our barks are much worse than our bites, after all these years all we expect is a halfway valid point and comprehensible grammar hahaa, Redbruce I agree with you that before the "site upgrade" the forum was more readily accessible than it is nowadays, and that has contributed to the decrease in activity, in the context of the modern world the last place I would look for intellectual stimulation is under the heading of "entertainment"

once again my 2cents worth .......

Once again my 2 cents worth:  I really did try my best to stimulate discussion here, sometimes I pushed the point just for the hell of it, unfortunately the response was almost non-existent, 268 views without a single comment etc, makes me not want to bother, it's not like I'm some kinda basement-dwelling xboxer with nothing better to do. We originally joined the site thinking that people open-minded about sex would be open-minded about life in general, unfortunately this does not seem to be the case, virtually nobody seems to have any sort of opinion about anything at all .................

Naah, you've worked it out, the group thing is just one of those useless features like you get with with your new iphone, makes you go "wow, this is cool" when you first see it, and after a while you just forget about it, and when you remember about it and check it out again you realize no one else is into it either, why not join every group that's out there and give us statistical feedback on the activity, bet it's somewhere round 1 post per day on all groups combined, not worth bothering with considering the busy lives we live nowadays ........

Swinging's been around since the stone age, in fact it used to be the norm back when we lived in caves and battled sabre-toothed tigers. In modern times the lifestyle saw an upsurge among american airmen living on-base with their wives during WW2, when the statistical possibility of survival in the inevitable offshore posting was highly unfavorable, and life needed to be lived to the fullest every hour and every day ........

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