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The infamous "not into interracial play"

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Quote by playcouple
Maybe I'm stupid, I know that I'm very slow in understanding things, but are you saying that whites should only be forced to have interracial experiences in the swinging lifestyle? Then by the same token you should be forced to have interaction with bi sexual males only in the swinging context (or couples with bi sexual males, keep in mind that just because a guy is bisexual does not mean that he is going to want to have a go with you just because you are having a go with his wife)

Nou heir kom kak . . . . . hahahahahahaha well said!
I was referring to the stats i presented to you in the context of the swinging lifestyle. I feel as if you are purposely trying to stir something. You not arguing on the points i have made but you taking my words and using it in a completely different context.
Looked if it comes to preferences nobody had a problem, but when it comes to ethnic there is a problem and a big problem in South Africa. Somebody said in this tread that the ethnic thing only happen on this site. But go and looked at the other SH sites overseas and you will be surprised that they also see it as a preference. One person, last night in the pool, said if you take a 1000 nude people they look all the same :doh:. If you believe it, that's your way of thinking. But it not say you had to play with all of them.
Haven't read all the responses, but the general sentiment seems to be that everyone has their own personal preference whether it's attraction to the same or opposite sex or both, a preference for blondes or brunettes or an attraction to bald men. So why is it a problem for people to be attracted to their own race. That being said, people's preferences and what they are attracted by is fluid and changes over time. I am also quite sure that given the time to get to know someone of another race, where there are shared interests and similar intellects, colour becomes less of an issue. But back to the point I actually wanted to make disclaimers like "race is an issue" or even the ubiquitous "colour barrier" phrase can certainly be offensive. Rather simply say that you are only seeking Caucasians/Indians/Asians/Afrikaners/Martians/whatever...
@shy_couple well said.
Well said shy couple
Quote by amethyst
I was referring to the stats i presented to you in the context of the swinging lifestyle.
I feel as if you are purposely trying to stir something. You not arguing on the points i have made but you taking my words and using it in a completely different context.

Back again, was out traveling. Anyways.
As I said previously sometimes I am slow to understand things to the point of idiocy ......... but again I must be missing something, I cant find stats that you presented. Keep in mind that if you present stats they should be empirical and able to stand up to scrutiny, if they are not then they are an opinion. Read 'a brief history of time', Hawking covers the topic of evidence and opinion somewhere in it. You know that Einstein tried to disprove the theory of relativity until his death?
If I were trying to stir then i would be making pointed and derogatory comments about how wrong your view is rather than saying you are entitled to it.
You brought in firemen and paramedics, which begs the question were you referring to the dress up variety because I don't get how else a fireman or paramedic would be carrying out their duties in the swinging context...............
I am arguing your points and words and I don't see how and where I am using them out of context, why should I not use your words? You brought them into the discussion. In a debate you argue each others points and statements, the reason for this is to retain a common point of departure. If you can bring firemen and paramedics into the discussion as an analogy, then surely I am allowed to bring in and an advocate or a clown if I please..... or is it a case of double standards?
You have not explained to me why, if there is not enough opportunity to meet all the people who already fall withing the specified band of interest, we should make time to meet people that are less likely to be within the parameters of what we like.
You have stated that you are not interested (supported by the tick boxes in your profile) in meeting gay men or couples with bi males, your reason is that you have no interest in playing with a penis. That is your choice and you are and should always be free to make it. However, by your own logic, you should must meet them, because in spite of not finding other men attractive you might just meet one that does do it for you.....................................because if us saying that we are not interested in interracial is racist then you saying that you are not interested in meeting gay or bi men is sexist, also discriminatory by your argument logic. You have not once conceded that some people who openly state that they are not interested in inter racial have tried it and found that it s not for them, for whatever reason.
This discussion for me revolves not one iota about race, its about freedom of choice. Your assertions are that people should not be allowed to make a choice and meet people that they are more likely to be comfortable with and Everyone has the freedom to choose who and what they associate with, in this I include the choice not to meet as its a. "In the context of swinging" you have the right to choose not to associate with couples that have a bi male in and you have the right to choose not to associate with gay men. We (us a as couple) have the right not to meet with people who use drugs, are in relationships and playing alone, child molesters, live far away from us or for that matter who's profile we just don't like.
You will see the serious threads where I post are about single men complaining about couples saying "no single men" people complaining about other people saying "not interested in interracial" (or its variances), married or attached people complaining that others wont play with them. All three are a variance of the the same thing, wanting to convince people that they should not be allowed to make their own free choices. All three follow the same logic of pubescent teenage boys attempt to get into a girls panties by confuckulating her with psudo logic. We have a teenage son and daughter so know both sides of those debates.
If we take away peoples freedom to make their own choices we are in for a beeg problem. What I find interesting though is that the very people who try to say that people should not be allowed to make their own choices or their choices are wrong or discriminatory very often have their own version of it.
Before you bring it up, when I refer to 'we' i am referring to anyone who specifically excludes anyone on their profile.
Saw this on a profile: "Absolutely NO blacks, we don't do interracial shit..." Still feel its preference related?
Quote by jtrdbn
Saw this on a profile:
"Absolutely NO blacks, we don't do interracial shit..."
Still feel its preference related?

Choice of words is crap and offensive. Obviously it is their preference and they don't mince their words but it still is their choice.
Now my question is what would you prefer for people to say if they are not into inter racial? O r not into Bi experiences, or not into playing with singles? Would you prefer them to say nothing and lead you on until you give up trying to meet them?
I've seen along the lines of "no single men, if you are single don't fucking contact us'.................... also a crap choice of words but still their choice.
I cannot understand how you can compare sexuality to race. Its two very differing categories. So next time we apply for an ID or university application they should ask us our sexual preference as well? By that token we should have equality in the workplace and hire more homosexuals than heterosexuals. Or maybe the springbok team should have atleast two homo sexual and two bi sexuals in the matchday squad? Mr play had you grown up and lived in the UK or the states im sure race would not be such an issue as it is for you today in the bedroom. Again shy couple made a very valid point.
Quote by amethyst
I cannot understand how you can compare sexuality to race.
Its two very differing categories. So next time we apply for an ID or university application they should ask us our sexual preference as well?
By that token we should have equality in the workplace and hire more homosexuals than heterosexuals.
Or maybe the springbok team should have atleast two homo sexual and two bi sexuals in the matchday squad?
Mr play had you grown up and lived in the UK or the states im sure race would not be such an issue as it is for you today in the bedroom.
Again shy couple made a very valid point.

So what you are saying is that in some categories it is fine for people to state their preference and in others not? Your preference for specific physical attributes in your sexual partners is no different from anyone else's.
I did not once say that race is an issue for me............ I do say that people should be free to choose.
As for the springboks or any other team or organisation. People should be picked on merit only. I know of a all non white school rugby team on the east rand that runs rings around the other teams so the story that there is no talent unless its white and afrikaans is also crap.
As for where I grew up, my earlier example of being removed from a third class train carriage because I was with my black school friend happened to me on a few occasions and is only one of many examples. Keep in mind my age and the fact that I was in primary school at the time. That is only one of many examples.
Earlier you stated that you were not referring to me as a racist when I made a comment about being called a racist. As said at the time you dont know me and if you did you would know that calling me a racist is laughable.
Mr play...... I said race would not be an issue for you in the bedroom. I didnt call you a racist, your profile says you dont do interracial. Operative word in the bedroom. So seeing as you so vocal about it. If you dont mind me asking. And you can choose whether or not to answer. Why do you not cross the proverbial racial barrier? We all people at the end of the day?
Quote by amethyst
Mr play......
I said race would not be an issue for you in the bedroom. I didnt call you a racist, your profile says you dont do interracial.
Operative word in the bedroom.
So seeing as you so vocal about it. If you dont mind me asking. And you can choose whether or not to answer.
Why do you not cross the proverbial racial barrier?
We all people at the end of the day?

In our case don't be so sure about your statement that where we were brought up has an impact. In the case of many other people that also state that they don't do inter racial, have you considered that same have tried it and decided that it is not for them? I think, maybe i'm wrong, that is more than can be said for you not having any interest in having a same sex experience.
The why is because it is our preference, just as it is your preference not to have contact with bi/gay men in the bedroom.
And back to my question, why should people waste time on things that does not fall within what they are looking for? Must I eat raw whale blubber to see if I like it, if I am vegetarian?
Some people make choices and have preferences based on experience, others make choices and have preferences purely based on what they perceive and believe, others make choices and have preferences for no logical reason whatsoever. In all case they should never be judged or forced to go against that as that is their free choice to make.
And I still dont see why people should waste their time on meeting people who fall outside of what they are looking for.
Seems that BEE will apply here one of these days
Quote by jtrdbn
Saw this on a profile:
"Absolutely NO blacks, we don't do interracial shit..."
Still feel its preference related?

This is the problem with this particular "issue" in this country:
A single persons view / comment / action etc is made out to be as if the whole race is the same.
I strategies this conversation merely as a request that those that do have a certain preference stipulate it right up front. What's interesting is however the schools of thought that emerged. I come from a background of equal opportunity, apartheid regime has not affaires me at all and I grew up fairly mixed, I.e live, schools and work. However seeing some of the comments on here and how defensive some people get, I ca see why the fight is far from over. I'm not sure if it's merely white guilt that makes you defensive, or of it's hatred towards the current government that means you paint all "non-whites" with the same brush. Or is it merely a superiority complex. Lord knows why?! All that I do know is that we have a looong way To go clearly
Quote by Smooth82
I'm not sure if it's merely white guilt that makes you defensive,

I had nothing to do with Apartheid, so why on earth would I have White Guilt?
Quote by Smooth82
II'm not sure if it's merely white guilt that makes you defensive, or of it's hatred towards the current government that means you paint all "non-whites" with the same brush. Or is it merely a superiority complex. Lord knows why?! All that I do know is that we have a looong way To go clearly

Wow. Sorry I have to ask why you haven't listed the honourable, acceptable or reasonable reasons why a white guy who was a kid during apartheid and voted it away come '94, would be defensive and upset when the 2000th person calls him a racist because he won't sleep with people who he's not attracted to. ...
Quote by LeeEC
II'm not sure if it's merely white guilt that makes you defensive, or of it's hatred towards the current government that means you paint all "non-whites" with the same brush. Or is it merely a superiority complex. Lord knows why?! All that I do know is that we have a looong way To go clearly

Wow. Sorry I have to ask why you haven't listed the honourable, acceptable or reasonable reasons why a white guy who was a kid during apartheid and voted it away come '94, would be defensive and upset when the 2000th person calls him a racist because he won't sleep with people who he's not attracted to. ...
Took the words out of my mouth Lee, people around our age were the swing vote in the referendum (way before 1994) to abolish apartheid.
I'm Caucasian my wife is Asian. What I have to smile about is the mails I get that the sender's profile states this colour line preference issue. I guess what they mean is black. Or a pretty, sexy Asian just overwhelms their prefs. Or maybe a combo of pretty and female is the catalyst. Doesn't matter to me, really. It is not a hard line racist thing necessarily, though it is a red flag for racism. Does not mean I will exclude them from consideration automatically, just think about it harder. Sexual prefs are valid. Whatever they are, including race/culture. My bedroom is not a public facility, no need 'to offer an opportunity' to anybody. I see no problem with such a statement in a profile. But then I've yet to go PC crazy.
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I'm Caucasian my wife is Asian. What I have to smile about is the mails I get that the sender's profile states this colour line preference issue. I guess what they mean is black. Or a pretty, sexy Asian just overwhelms their prefs. Or maybe a combo of pretty and female is the catalyst.
Doesn't matter to me, really. It is not a hard line racist thing necessarily, though it is a red flag for racism. Does not mean I will exclude them from consideration automatically, just think about it harder.
Sexual prefs are valid. Whatever they are, including race/culture. My bedroom is not a public facility, no need 'to offer an opportunity' to anybody.
I see no problem with such a statement in a profile. But then I've yet to go PC crazy.

I prefer laptops to PC's myself...... lol
:sad: it saddens me that some of us people still live in shell afraid to take a step and join in the adventures our country have to offer i have read most people from rustenburg where i am from most of them would not cross the line lets talk this through
I personally think we can decide with whom to play or not. Those who prefer to play with their own race should be respected. There are times when we would not even play with some people of our own race for one or other reason. Let's not make an issue of this and enjoy those who do cross racial lines.
This topic has been discussed at great length under the Anything Goes Forum page (numerous different threads), which is probably where it is more appropriate than here under Dogging...
Looked forward to see what this tread will use to argue the discussion
I love my stake very rare, pink in the inside, did that mean i had a problem with color.
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I love my stake very red, pink in the inside, did that mean i had a problem with color.

Ill bite my tongue and see what other comments come up first..................................