I don't think it's necessarily wrong to bring up other topics here that are not sex related. Sure, this is a sex and swinging site, but it seems like there are many people here who are not just here for the sex, but also for the friendship and even camaraderie you get with like-minded people, and I think that an important part of friendship is the ability to honestly exchange views and opinions on any sort of topic.
Due to the nature of the site, most forum topics will probably be sex related, and that is probably as it should be, but if someone wants to start a conversation on something serious like the elections or something random like their pet cats, I would say go right ahead. It doesn't mean that everyone else needs to join in, but if someone else also loves talking about their pet cats or the merits of Zille vs Zuma, then that's great, they've got something in common to connect over. If not, then the thread will be ignored and forgotten, no harm no foul.
Earlier in this thread Nimfie and Stamina were exchanging notes on guns. I don't own a gun and don't know much about them so I'm probably not going to contribute, but if some people have got a common interest and like to talk about it, go right ahead. Maybe it'll attract some new voices into the forums if people see that they can talk about other topics and that it doesn't have to all be about sex all the time.
That being said, I agree with keeping to the subject of the thread. If you want to talk about something else, start a new thread for it. That's how forums are supposed to work. If you want a single thread for all sorts of random topics, then I think you're looking for the chat room.
So despite telling myself that I would not get involved with non site related topic discussions, the last essay by Pieman (which I am not sure if it was based on research or experience) he claims both)) simply "made me" have to say this.
Some of you are referring to the murder case of Oscar, saying this and that, but it seems you missed the vital part were the lawyers are trying to use things like text messages and internet surfing as evidence.
So, let's paint a hypothetical picture for you:
You (insert relevant forum contributor name here) arrange to meet up with a single / couple. The meet happens, play ensues, you go home. One or even both of the other party is shot dead (in a totally unrelated event)
Police investigations lead to evidence / witnesses that you had been seen with the person / couple a few hours / days before. Upon investigation it is established that you were mostly strangers to each other. Evidence gets to the point of checking the victims personal communication devices, you get linked to them via SH (or other forum type site) and when the Popo looks at the history on said site, you are found to have explained in detail what firearms do to people, you even spent time and energy explaining what specific ammunition would do if used.
Now, rememberer, you had nothing at all whatsoever to do with the shooting . . . . but like that is going to make any fucking difference to your immediate life and foreseeable future. Your need to talk about such things as this on a site where people meet up with strangers, has you stuck between a rock and a hard place. Yes, you will be cleared (well, if the cops do their job) but the damage to you, your loved ones, your career etc etc etc
Of course, this is only hypothetical, because no doubt any possible meet's you may have had from this site are gone. Nobody would be willing to meet with a self proclaimed firearm wielding, Hollywood movie type mentality swinger anyway. Well, not unless they thought their gun was bigger than yours . . . . .
Well, I'm new here, have read a lot of the forum posts, so I feel I kinda know the regulars.
I'm actually offended by the insinuating tone of Mr SDMR here.
You say the "essay" Pieman wrote. From what I have read, you also write essays.
You say you not sure if it's based on experience or research, I do hope that you and Pieman know
each other, for you to make such accusations? I don't have a problem with "banter" but this has another "feel" to it.
"Self proclaimed firearm wielding hollywood movie type mentality swinger" as you put it, a bit harsh aren't you?
So you are saying if anyone has a strong opinion, all that posted on this topic, including you, can forget about possible meets?
Mmmmmm seems like sour grapes to me, because the others agreed with Pieman on the "Anything goes" part of this discussion.
No need for that Mr SDMR, you had your say, I had mine.
Is that not what the forum is for?
Stamina, please remind me not to get on your wrong side !!!
If this is the welcome a new comer gets here, I will rather not be part of it, thank you!
You don't need to do anything "on my behalf".
As for standing up for any particular person, I would do the same for anyone else.
Lastly, how could you say anything to or about me?
And do you have to for me to have an opinion?
All i can say, no more questions to asked why the forum died a early death. Forums are for grown up people that can differ from opinion without playing the man but playing the ball.
If I am wrong, go and look back in the forum, lets say 5 months ago and then come and say i am wrong.
I will come back in the forum for my 1c when we can act as grown ups with treads that we can discuss and play the ball.
Did not want anyone to get upset.
I tried to keep gore out of it and did not mean for this thread to be all about bullets.
There is a lot more to be learnt from this trial I believe but is being lost here I think.
Conflict and disagreement is part of life and so also of swinging.
Nimfie and I do appreciate your support.
I'm sure Nimfie & Lady Curious could sooth your troubles away, if you gave them a chance.
Also if you'd just like to chat, please Private Message us.
As Adonis says, let's play the ball and not the man.
I think I've pretty much worked the chip off my shoulder too, so let's see if we can get something constructive going.
Stamina, please read carefully.
In the beginning I said that I believe that this ammo should be banned.
Then I posted that there was a big debate in the 1980's about banning the ammo.
Way back then my dad was quite a gun enthusiast so it was a hobby we shared.
But correct, the ban never happened, sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.
I was referring to hollow points in general as the Black Talon only became available in 1991 in America. I don't know when they hit our shelves.
Not sure what part of the pathologist testimony you saw but it could not have been much. Read under Media Ban
Due to this Live broadcast, Twitter and Blogging media block, I had to go to several web sites to get a reasonable idea of his testimony and it paints a grim picture. These bullets specifically inflict bleeding out wounds that are way harder to stop than with conventional rounds.
So, three direct hits = three death shots with a 9mm
Now you tell us how much more devastating your hand cannon is than that.
You have just given us the definition of Overkill. Thanx for proving my case for me.
But yes, to be honest blowing shit up is fun at times and using guns for sport is cool, I assume your combat weapon is something lighter?
SDRM,
The "saving" statement was yours but I did not single you out because Stamina was normally your partner in crime when taking threads off on a tangent. But guys let's try and get some balance here.
Please don't spoil a thread just because you don't like it.
As for your hypothetical scenario, that kind of thing scares the crap out of me.
If you are linked in any way to any crime or scandal your activities here would raise big questions.
That is why I'm not too keen on being an open swinger. But yes, they will scratch it out anyway.
If you wish to know about my bad experiences with guns you are welcome to PM me.
The Oscar trial is something of great interest to me. I work from home so I watch it all day, every day. Because of my interests and curiosity, I decided to post something about it. It was an attempt to hear what people think about it. Then the subject of guns and ammo came up. That got me more involved because I am an enthusiast when it comes to firearms. I know quite alot about ammo and the opportunity arose for me to show my knowledge on the matter. I used it.
It turned out to be a bit of a debate. Mainly because of the damage a 9mm pistol caused when in most circumstances that would not be the case. In general, 9mm will not cause that damage, so this situation is not definitive proof that 9mm is a formidable caliber. Angle of penetration and the fact that the door was hit first had alot to do with it. From personal experience and "tests", 9mm parabellum rounds inflict much damage than the larger calibers. So not arguing, but just informing that every situation must be considered in its own merit. A 600cc motorcycle can win a race against a 1000cc because it may have cornered better or been better under breaking or had better grip from the tyres on that day - does not mean it is more powerful than the 1000.
Bearing in mind, I agree with most that was said. When we do combat shooting (every second Sunday), we set up scenarios that may relate to real life situations. We offer defensive training with firearms. I personally can draw, cock, discharge 4 rounds in a 6" group from the hip (no sight aiming) and holster in 3 seconds. I empty my .40 cal Glock in 4 seconds with a hit ratio of 70%. I have this all on video. We train (and are trained) to shoot from the hip. This is to simulate a life threatening situation where the is no time to aim. We also train people to disarm an assailant... That's right, to remove the gun from an attacker hand and point it back at him in seconds.
Firearms are often blamed when things like this happen. Training is available at low cost to ensure safe gun usage. What is the point of owning a gun if you don't know how to use it. Like a car, what is the point of buying a Porsche GT3 and you can't drive like Schumacher?? If you own a gun, join a combat shooting club and within a week you will realise that the tool is nothing without a proper tradesman. The scalpel is only as good as the surgeon.
Stamina we agree on almost all accounts.
If it was up to me, it would be law that all hand gun owners must attend a combat gun session at least twice a year.
While we lived in a small town, my buddy that was going through a divorce stayed with us.
We came to visit my parents in PE and he had the place all to himself. Him and my other buddies had a braai and he ended up testing his skills on the dirt bin.
When I got back I could not decide what pissed me off more, that he used a gun in my place, that he mixed guns and alcohol, that he missed all 6 shots at 20m or that he did not realise beforehand that he was such a kak shot. Therefore I feel all gun owners should be tested for basic competence regularly.
You guys are really passionate about this topic!
I like passionate people, I'm one myself, gets me in trouble though, as is evident earlier in this topic!
Besides the quality or the rounds one buys, I prefer to reload my rounds that way you get better accuracy,groupings and most important peace of mind, knowing the round won't misfire.
I think some people buy 9mm pistols because they carry more bullets. So if you miss the first 5 times you still have a couple left to keep trying.
Thats why one of the main reason I use hollow points with a big calibre fire arm. I don't want to shoot a person twice.
As for shooting a person in the shoulder or leg in a time of being attacked you must be a pretty good shot to take the time to aim and hit your target.
I am starting to enjoy these forums , it's nice talking crap every now and again. 
