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I was reminded of how fucked up the world is after hearing about a abortion that has gone bad!!! Everywhere I drive I see stickers on lamp posts advertizing *Abortion* and that it is not painful and that it is a fast solution to unwanted pregnancies!!! I do agree it is a solution to a unwanted pregnancy. BUT should it be a method of birth control is my question??? I also KNOW that any girl underage can go and demand a abortion and that the health carers have to oblige that child,to doing it for her in a safe environment. And they are NOT allowed to contact the parents, or give the fathers details, of this unwanted baby ,to the police for statuary !!! The girl child is allowed to sigh the consent forms for the procedures herself!!! Just to be back after a month or 2 for another one. Now I am talking kids of as young as 10 that can go for abortions , BUT they are not allowed to go to a birth control clinic to ask for birth control with out a parent being present. How fucked up is that???
SDM
Sex God
Quote by Pussinboots1
I was reminded of how fucked up the world is after hearing about a abortion that has gone bad!!!
Everywhere I drive I see stickers on lamp posts advertizing *Abortion* and that it is not painful and that it is a fast solution to unwanted pregnancies!!!
I do agree it is a solution to a unwanted pregnancy. BUT should it be a method of birth control is my question???
I also KNOW that any girl underage can go and demand a abortion and that the health carers have to oblige that child,to doing it for her in a safe environment.
And they are NOT allowed to contact the parents, or give the fathers details, of this unwanted baby ,to the police for statuary !!!
The girl child is allowed to sigh the consent forms for the procedures herself!!!
Just to be back after a month or 2 for another one.
Now I am talking kids of as young as 10 that can go for abortions , BUT they are not allowed to go to a birth control clinic to ask for birth control with out a parent being present.
How fucked up is that???

Oh deary me, we have now seen PIB in her VERY angry mode . . . . (I do agree with what you have said)
joyrider
Master of Sex
Well you have now touched on a point that sends me into a mad rage. As a father of a 16 year old daughter. My wife and I have been together from early high school days and yes we even had sex then, but my wife could go on her own to the clinic for the birth control pills. And we only had our first kid years after we got married and yes we both had finished high school. Now in those days (man now it sounds as if I am old :sad: ) In any case in those days we never had "LewensOrientering''. I think the english word is SEX EDUCATION. These days they have SEX education which I think is wrong. It makes the kids want to test out what ever the teacher is saying. That is why we have so many SCHOOL KIDS pregnant. Think about what I have just said! I say stop the f...king sex education at school and make it easier for young girls to get the pill. And my motivation is you must see what hell I go throw every 5 month just to go to the fucking doctor, just to make out a fucking prescription And to round it all off it costs me just over every fucking 5 month:mad: which is wrong. Then we as parents want to shit in our pans because of abortions be it legal or not:mad: Joyrider Sorry for using that kid of language ''Ladies''
georgeous
Casanova
PIB 1. It really is all f*cked up. Did you hear about the child that was flushed down the toilet and got stuck. After two hours they got the baby out and he/she survived. I so wish I could have a child of my own. Some people would give anything to give a child a loving home and yet the ones that do have children don't care what happens to them and even considers abortion. What a sick world we live in.
Unknown User
The saddest part for me...was hearing a cousin of hubby make the comment to her gran when they drove past one of the clinics that there are already 4 others there....Her 5th she had to have because she was to far along to have the abortion. Okey, she's over 20, but only showed up at her folks doorstep long enough to have the baby and sign the papers so they could adopt it :sad: And worse, I feel for those where by some miracle the abortion is not effective and the baby is carried to term and born with not ill effect from the attempt, only later to find out that they actually were unwanted..... Not cool when there are so many woman out there wanting kids of there own but can't..... But hell, also very *die moer in* about no details given about the fathers when such young girls so the police can't even do something about it!!!
Unknown User
@ E_N see that is just what I was saying this niece.....she has had 4 abortions and tried a 5th but due to the date could not have an abortion, but this lady has no sense and can not go and ask to have her F/tubes cut??? I HAVE no words for such a person. @ SDMR nope I was not cross when I wrote this, sad maybe..... @ Joyrider....I think sex education is a good thing....KIDS will always do the *naughty* you said so yourself, you did it while still at school. You know you can go to a clinic and get Birth-control for free,if you want. @ georgeous I have no I think it is a pity,but then I thank the lord I never had any, if I see MOST of today`s kids and the problems they give their parents. I always tell parents who never have problems with their kids, to count their Lucky stars....... Maybe I am jaded, but I see so many problems where I work. I hope your dreams come true for you one day though. About adoption...that is another kettle of fish.......yeah there are needy kids out there. Anyone can just go to all the orphanage and there is kids there who would love a *big brother* or *big sister* visits. But rather to adopt a needy child today people adopt to *impress* the neighbors or to be like some film star who adopted. I know of MORE than ONE case where children is *given* back when the so called parents found it to difficult to handle. What does that say to the child who is rejected by its Mother and now also by the goody two shoes trying to impress???? The only times I DO agree with abortions are 1) pregnancies 2) Pregnancies where the baby has some *harmful syndrome* (there is far many to just name one) where the kid will be of NO benefit to itself or the world. 3) I will even go as far and allow ONE abortion,if the pregnancy is not wanted But that one is also a far stretch for me. There is morning after pills and so many methods of preventing unwanted pregnancies that to use abortion as a birth control is JUST unsavory to me as a person. Just saying.......
Unknown User
On the issue of sex education... First "lewens orientering" - is "life orientation" not sex ed - although sex is touched on in the syllabus. And while I think it's laughable to say sex ed causes kids to shag, which is like saying educating people about the use of condoms cause unwanted pregnancies, I do believe that the content of most sex education classes is dangerously incomplete. I give sex ed classes, and I think there is a serious lack of knowledge in the adults involved in the system, of the real issues... First, the assumption that the kids only know what you tell them is hysterical. They have fringing BlackBerry and smart phones with INTERNET on them guys! They know more about sex than YOU do. The real key is that they lack the emotional maturity and life experience to sort fact from fiction. What they NEED is someone who will help them do that. Not tell them how sex works... Second, what they lack is not the How but the WHY AND WHEN parts of the equation. I talk about relationships and psychology and emotions and drives and hormones. I tell them how boys and girls think differently. I ask them their opinions and answer all there weird and crazy questions. I ask them what's wrong with pornography (not tell that it is wrong), and we talk about how society and culture dictate how we see things like sex. We talk about pleasure (glaringly absent from standard sex ed talks), and how we get it physiologically, what the different parts of the anatomy DO, for us in sex. We talk about the reasons people have sex (and we discuss why some of them are really bad - like "to get a relationship" and "to prove you love someone"). We talk about what sex is really for - to get pleasure and procreate, and why if you don't want a baby and you're not enjoying it, you should not be doing it. We talk about what a person needs to know before they are ready to make a decision about whether have sex with someone (not just the first time), and we talk about why I believe it's extremely important that if you can't TALK about what you want to do with the person you want to do it with, then you're not ready to do it yet. ("But that's awkward Miss!" -"Exactly! You shouldn't be awkward with someone you want to share that part of yourself with, you should be able to trust them enough to talk about stuff like this." Remember these kids are 14 to 17) My favorite part of the conversation with girls is when they figure out that it's their choice and that actually they don't need a partner to get the pleasure which they should be getting from sex.... "seriously? Like a little buzzing thing? And that all you need? No boy?" And to see their confidence grow when they realise that they no MUCH more about the facts of sex than their male contemporaries, and will no longer be bullshat by the boys trying to get them to "put out" with those "if you love me..." lines. Results? A massive drop in teenage pregnancy, a huge spike in confidence, achievement, class marks even! Note this is a huge range of kids, all colours, cultures, income brackets and creeds.
caperock1
Warming the Bed
I agree with a lot of what has been said here on this point. I drive school kids (school bus) daily to and from their homes..... What an eye opener.......... I was shocked at the level of sex knowledge these kids have, the way they graphically describe the way various sex acts happen....... The kids taunt each other like all kids do.... It starts off like this............ 'Your mom is fat..... no your mom is fatter' .... and so it progresses to 'your mom is a lesbian.... no your mom is a lesbian that kisses another girls private parts with her tongue' Crties And so it escalates to 'moffies' and what act the other kids dad does, like....he will put his tollie deeeep into another man's hol....... To cut a good 2 to 3 min short of mind blowing sex education, the end result is a small fist/slapping/biting fight. Hey and many references to boyfriend and girlfriend and what will happen to them when they are bigger, or what they will be doing, kissing, bj's, and it can go on. All insulting by the way.......... At this age for these kids any (sexual) physical interaction is a no no, and cause for ridicule and insult amongst their peers. They know that their older brother / sister and adults are doing these acts, but they not sure why, just that if you like the other person then you can do sex..... They STILL not sure how babies are made and how babies are born......... but they know what lesbians and moffies do..... When they make reference to any type of sexual act, it is used as a means of taunting and insulting others. Make no bones about what the level of sex knowledge these kids have........... You may be asking, What age kids are we talking about here......... These are Gr1 to Gr5 kids. From what background we talking about............ well, families that can afford to send their kids to good schools, can afford to pay for private transport for their kids, can afford to give their kids smart phones, can afford to live in good homes. So do I let this ride and keep quiet, nothing much I can do but tell them to stop and talk about something else. As LeeEC says Quote "First, the assumption that the kids only know what you tell them is hysterical. They have fringing BlackBerry and smart phones with INTERNET on them guys! They know more about sex than YOU do." These kids talk about their sisters, friends going for abortions or having babies is old news for them. They are being raised in a culture of acceptance of abortion as being a fact of life (sick), and that you can get it anytime. Some of the young girls talk of throwing their babies down the toilet because they don't want babies..(7yr old girl). Quote again LeeEC "The real key is that they lack the emotional maturity and life experience to sort fact from fiction." There is no law/religious/policy rule that will change this attitude. It must begin at home, if not, then at school (which is not quite as good) If there were more of LeeEC in the education dept to try and put the kids on the right track......... I get the feeling that they are not being taught the true value of love and family togetherness. Sad.... Sad that so many children of today know so much about something they know so little....... Sad that so many children have such low disregard of life in pregnancy.
Unknown User
I think the key is for me - I'm not part of the education system, I'm a volunteer, a mom and a coach. When my stepson Chris (21yrs now) was still at school he would often come to me for advice, after a while he started coming to me about helping his friends at school. When I saw my stepdaughter (16yrs) and her friends struggling with the same sorts of issues and we started talking about them at home and Chris said something about kids needing a neutral non-judgekental party to talk to about life issues, it gave me the idea to try creating something like my program in the schools. So I approached my old high school and volunteered to do it, they were simply delighted with the idea, an it's been a HUGE hit. I just recently put a proposal to do something similar for another local school (all boys)!
caperock1
Warming the Bed
Quote by LeeEC
I think the key is for me - I'm not part of the education system, I'm a volunteer, a mom and a coach.
When my stepson Chris (21yrs now) was still at school he would often come to me for advice, after a while he started coming to me about helping his friends at school. When I saw my stepdaughter (16yrs) and her friends struggling with the same sorts of issues and we started talking about them at home and Chris said something about kids needing a neutral non-judgekental party to talk to about life issues, it gave me the idea to try creating something like my program in the schools.
So I approached my old high school and volunteered to do it, they were simply delighted with the idea, an it's been a HUGE hit.
I just recently put a proposal to do something similar for another local school (all boys)!

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Unknown User
Quote by caperock1
There is no law/religious/policy rule that will change this attitude. It must begin at home, if not, then at school (which is not quite as good)

The sad part is a lot of the values that should be taught at home aren't, and teachers and volunteers like Lee are doing their best. I grew up in a home were I had an open relationship with my mom and I was always the one my friends would ask to ask my mom since they could not speak about sex and things with their parents. Heck actually about anything!
So I simply try, and hope I will succeed in, teaching my 2 monkeys the values of live and living the way my mom did with us.
Rumpledforeskin
Warming the Bed
"...My favorite part of the conversation with girls is when they figure out that it's their choice and that actually they don't need a partner to get the pleasure which they should be getting from sex.... "seriously? Like a little buzzing thing? And that all you need? No boy?"
And to see their confidence grow when they realise that they no MUCH more about the facts of sex than their male contemporaries, and will no longer be bullshat by the boys trying to get them to "put out" with those "if you love me..." lines......"
You will be blessed LeeEC.
Things have only escalated since the advent of "democracy"
"Stop whinging, we have the Government we deserve"
Unknown User
Yeah..... REALLY.............. @ Rumpledforeskin So you are telling me you are in favor of abortions and that kids can sign for the intervention with out their parents knowing?? I wonder if you KNOW the grizzly details of HOW an abortion works?? There are many methods of abortion. Suction Aspiration Dilation and Curettage (D&C) Salt Poisoning (Saline Injection) Prostaglandin Chemical Abortion Hysterotomy or Caesarean Section Partial-Birth Abortion The procedure used depends largely upon the stage of pregnancy and the size of the unborn child. Dividing the methods of abortion into three main categories: 1)Those that invade the uterus and kill the child by instruments which enter the uterus through the cervix.(in lay mans terms you cut the baby into little pieces and remove it by legs and arms and head and torso. 2)Those that kill the preborn child by administration of drugs and then induce labour and the delivery of a dead baby(inlay mans terms you poison the unborn child 3)Those that invade the uterus by abdominal surgery. Now I am NOT even talking about the RISK to the person has,Having the abortion .......worse one is DEATH of the person herself. I do agree that Lee is one of the MANY people trying to make a difference....and I take my hat of for her and the other people who tries.
Unknown User
um PIB I think you just attacked Rumple for something he didn't say... I don't think he mentioned anything about abortions - he was talking about the benefit of sex ed and how the "new education system" of our new government has made it worse At least that's how your post reads and I know if that's not what you meant you'd like a chance to edit!
Unknown User
@ Lee... I read his comment and I read where he says you are doing good with your contribution in sex education. and I AGREE there. But then he moves on and he says we have TOO stop whining about and here I am pasting in...."Stop whinging, we have the Government we deserve" thus I read it as We deserve a Government who allows abortions......my forum is about underage kids who is allowed to go and have an abortions with out consent of their parents and people who uses abortion as a Birth control method. Thus my answer is to that extend. If he only meant your input about sex education he should have said so. I also was not attacking him as a person, just his view, I wondered if he knows what happens during an abortion as most people do not know the grizzly details on what happens or is being done to the fetus.
Unknown User
Well now you've clarified your response, it makes more sense, and he can respond accordingly. And I do think you're right about young people using abortion as a contraceptive... it is quite sick.
SDM
Sex God
One of my pet gripes is how the children are taught from an extremely young age about HIV and condoms, how to use condoms, where to get condoms etc . . . . . now working on the principal that these same children do not have emotional maturity, is it only me who can see that all that is going to happen is the kids are likely to land up having sex earlier than they are emotionally ready to? After all, they are being taught that sex is ok, as long as you wear a condom.. . . . . HOWEVER, reading this forum it would seem that all the sex education is only managing to entice the kiddies into having sex, and they are forgetting the condom part (otherwise they would not need so many abortion clinics) . . . . . . so, in MY opinion, if children were taught a little bit more about morals, a little more life skills then the pregnancy rates and the infection rates etc would be lower. I agree with most of what has been said here, but I also FULLY agree with Rumpledforeskin.